Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Write here about construction, ideas, equipment, tips n tricks etc. related to structured light scanning
mading
Posts: 307
Joined: 31 Jan 2017, 13:09

Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Post by mading »

Hi to everybody!

I'm going to build my SLS system. I had to choose my projector.
Camera will be the Imaging source DMK 23UX236, with 12 mm lens.

I'm going to scan objects raging from 150x40x60 to 1400x450x180.

According to the forum experiences with different projectors and mods, is it possible to scan an unvarnished ("white") viola scroll with this definition?

Image

Scroll is 40 mm wide.
It was scanned with this system:
http://www.scanner3d.it/it/scanner3d/cronos-3d.html
http://www.scanner3d.it/brochures/cronos-ita.pdf

You can see the hardware specific in the above links.

Thanks to All!
LG PF50, LG PF1500, RangeVision DIY: 2x DahengMer630, 2X12 and 2X16 mm 5Mp ZK lenses, RV turntable
User avatar
Micr0
Posts: 586
Joined: 15 Nov 2016, 15:20
Location: New York City

Re: Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Post by Micr0 »

This should be pretty easy to do. Is this your only question?
µ
mading
Posts: 307
Joined: 31 Jan 2017, 13:09

Re: Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Post by mading »

The most intriguing part is dealing with dark and polarized reflective surfaces: varnished wood.
I can't use any matting agent. Too risky for varnish.

I heard somebody's using Red or InfraRed color patterns to better deal with it.
Is it something "magic" or real optics?
LG PF50, LG PF1500, RangeVision DIY: 2x DahengMer630, 2X12 and 2X16 mm 5Mp ZK lenses, RV turntable
User avatar
Micr0
Posts: 586
Joined: 15 Nov 2016, 15:20
Location: New York City

Re: Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Post by Micr0 »

Infrared lasers maybe. Creaform has a hand held that can scan black gloss plastic fairly well. It is also about $60K. Could you perhaps use a dry powder like talc? You wouldn't have to completely whiten the surface. Just use enough to make the surface a little less absorbent and less reflective.
µ
mading
Posts: 307
Joined: 31 Jan 2017, 13:09

Re: Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Post by mading »

So theorethically an IR line laser with a IR sensible sensor (and IR-transparent optic) should work?

We tried with Boron - Talc Powder: not enough resolution.
For the moment it will be enough to scan unvarnished instruments or gypsuym casts.
LG PF50, LG PF1500, RangeVision DIY: 2x DahengMer630, 2X12 and 2X16 mm 5Mp ZK lenses, RV turntable
User avatar
Micr0
Posts: 586
Joined: 15 Nov 2016, 15:20
Location: New York City

Re: Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Post by Micr0 »

mading wrote: 15 Mar 2017, 08:06 So theorethically an IR line laser with a IR sensible sensor (and IR-transparent optic) should work?

We tried with Boron - Talc Powder: not enough resolution.
For the moment it will be enough to scan unvarnished instruments or gypsuym casts.
Talc can be a bit course. Chalk too. I found a dry white pigment at an art supply that was extremely fine.The problem I had was that it was so fine it got into every crack and took a bit of effort to remove. The parts I used it on were fine going though the ultrasonic cleaner so that helped. In retrospect I also could have only dusted the part with the powder and not tried to get it totally white.
µ
User avatar
Micr0
Posts: 586
Joined: 15 Nov 2016, 15:20
Location: New York City

Re: Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Post by Micr0 »

mading wrote: 15 Mar 2017, 08:06 So theorethically an IR line laser with a IR sensible sensor (and IR-transparent optic) should work?

We tried with Boron - Talc Powder: not enough resolution.
For the moment it will be enough to scan unvarnished instruments or gypsuym casts.

There's also spray dry shampoo. Though it is sometimes suspended in an alcohol medium which may not be good for a vintage varnish.
µ
User avatar
avogra
Site Admin
Posts: 116
Joined: 11 Nov 2016, 17:27
Location: Munich, Germany
Contact:

Re: Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Post by avogra »

There is also this spray, they use to detect leaks, which evaporates after some hours without any residue. I haven't used it myself though.
mading
Posts: 307
Joined: 31 Jan 2017, 13:09

Re: Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Post by mading »

Well, let's say I can't put anything.. I'm sorry but it's too risky.
Has anybody tryied a DIY IR laser setup?
Or IR LED DLP Projector?
LG PF50, LG PF1500, RangeVision DIY: 2x DahengMer630, 2X12 and 2X16 mm 5Mp ZK lenses, RV turntable
User avatar
avogra
Site Admin
Posts: 116
Joined: 11 Nov 2016, 17:27
Location: Munich, Germany
Contact:

Re: Projecting an SLS system: Scanning precision

Post by avogra »

I just looked up, what the stuff ist called. It is Cyclododecane. I think it is possible, that it has no effect on the varnish. From what I read, it is a solid powder that evaporates into gaseous form after some time. Wikipedia says, it is used to conserve sensitive archeological objects temporarily or in art restoration. Both seem to belong to a class of objects that are at least as sensitive as music instruments. Maybe further research can confirm if this stuff is comaptible with the kind of varnish used for antique music instruments.
Post Reply